Is there a definitive line that divides crazy from sane? With a hair-raising delivery, Jon Ronson, author of The Psychopath Test, illuminates the gray areas between the two. (With live-mixed sound by Julian Treasure and animation by Evan Grant.)
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You have to have strong psychopathic traits to become a leader of any sort, but only small amount of psychopaths are murderers and criminals. Society should be protected from the latter group by containment, but the rest should be prevented by us by not giving these people on a position of power.
things are rarely so finite but scientists(im no scientist but myself as well) hate ambiguous answers they want a formula that will always work but human nature differs from person to person i think everyone has the potential to be a monster, we are a product of our genetics and our environment, but you cant give in to the dark tendencies that reside within all of us, it is self control, so long as you control yourself does it really matter we all have our struggles but we live in this world together, why cant that be enough.
I loved this.
To be fair we all are a bit psychopathic because it is not an addition to our psyche that produces psychopathy it is rather a lack of some things that keeps our strongest self preserving, self promoting natural survival instincts moderated to varying degrees.
Anyways i loved this. Nice work
It reminds one of "McCarthism" in the 70's when everyone was a potential "communist." Psychiatric science like anything when it becomes a system that only exists to perpetuate and justify its own existence... then it is by definition A VIRUS.
I do not feel sorry for anyone who gets a long prison sentence for beating someone up outside pure self-defense. The right to bodily boundaries of everybody are sacred and for that reason I do not consider the possibility of a distinction between giving someone a crippling brain injury or any other form of rape, sexual or otherwise. If someone thinks one form of what I define as rape, sexual or otherwise, is worse than another, I say so what. Violation is violation period.
I understand his point, but he has obviously not crossed paths with a true psychopath. I hope that one day he does not experimentally learn of his own ignorance. Also, the video did not shine any new light or perspective on Cluster B personality disorders.
The way medical services are reimbursed, which also includes psychiatry, revolves around finding a category to place the issue into. There are thousands and thousands of categories and subcategories. If the provider can't find an appropriate category, they get no reimbursement. So, to boost business and reimbursement, the moment the patient enters the room, the provider is already looking for a CPC code if it is a medical condition, or a DSM-IV category to place the patient into. When I was in grad school, we had an assignment where each and every one of us had to have a mandatory minimum number of visits with a psychiatrist. The provider names were given to us by the school. Once we had all gone for our initial visits, we all met in class and compared notes. Every single one of us was told we were very ill and needed many months, if not years of therapy. The provider I went to, whose office was adorned with pre-Columban artifacts, went so far as to tell me I needed to take out a mortgage to pay for her services. Each psychiatric visit we went to, the provider said fewer than 50 words the entire session. My person seemed to be daydreaming, so I asked if she could tell me what I was just talking about and she was unable to do so. Perhaps thinking about her next vacation or what she was going to have for dinner. There is no requirement for the provider to interact with the patient and if the patient does not improve, it is their own fault, but the provider still gets his or her large office fee. Is psychiatry basically a racket? Are psychiatrists themselves psychopaths? On a more recent note, I needed to get some vaccinations for a trip I was going on but had not primary care physician, so I went to a place that also has urgent care services. Since no doctor in my area was accepting new patients and also took my insurance, I ended up with a nurse practitioner at an urgent care facility. She was quite happy to give me my 5 needed vaccinations, but one required a follow-up in 6 months. So when the 6 months was up, I returned. She immediately try to get me to take a flu shot, which I declined, then a pneumonia shot, which I declined, then a shingles vaccination, which I declined. Then she moved on to the Hepatitis C test and I told her I engaged in no risky behavior as a younger person. She then recommended a colonoscopy, but I told her I have a gastroenterologist for that. Then she recommended Lipitor for cholesterol, even though my cholesterol is low. She said with my history of migraines, it could be a precursor to stroke. I declined the medication because I have a cardiologist who attends to that aspect of my care. At this point she became irate and exclamed "Do you want me to be your primary care physician or don't you?" Seems doctors operate on a sales model rather than being focused on our overall care. When I went to my cardiologist a few weeks later, he said he would never recommend using Lipitor in that manner. When you go to a physician and they blow you off with just a pain med prescription or a short stint with PT rather than taking your issue seriously, it is because you are not seen as a money maker in their book. They want sick, long term patients to generate revenue from. And we wonder why medical insurance is so expensive.
I think this presentation seems to be missing/ignoring the important distinction between psychopath and sociopath. Many more people exhibit sociopathic behavior, which is akin to psychopathic behavior but less severe...The definitions and disctinctions are available from many sources in texts and online...
How can you talk about psychopaths and not mention Donald Trump? He’s clearly a psychopath. He doesn’t like dogs because they know who he is. Unlike millions of Americans who seem to think he’s got their back.
you could say he might have been damaged by what the system did for 18 years but he did not go down with it so that must count for something as well right?
that was a human view of things I enjoyed that.
As I see it, hoarding selfish psychopaths and psychopathic psychopathologies are running and ruining this planet, and causing many fallout cognitive conditions of new observable illnesses and evolving new psychopathologies, for example new tech based addictions and compulsions. Dr. Hare is spot on most of his assessment questionnaire, but missing the spectrum of selfishness that psychopathic personalties are, and only treatable with full cooperation and long tern CBT programs.
so...just listening to someone talk and tell a story is not enough for us anymore....do we REALLY need all these "special effects" bullshit with oh-look-live-animation and creepy-kinda-sounds-like-music-from-another-room....sad. very very sad. i dont know if we are all getting insane...or just stupid...
The few psychopaths I've known all have one thing in common....they have an inner emotional coldness to their personality. I'm an empath, so I pick up on people's emotions. My stepfather was one, and when I was 12 years old, I did notice that he was emotionally cold and he covered that up with being somewhat of a clown always trying to make us laugh - superficially glib is what some of you have said - but didn't know how to interpret any of that. He just seemed different from my father's family, who was authentically warm and caring, without all the superficially glib stuff. I knew I didn't feel comfortable with stepfather a lot of the time, without knowing why. Some of them seem to be able to turn the emotional coldness "off" once in a while, but it always returns. The people I know who I consider "normal" don't have this inner emotional coldness. When I notice someone has that, I write them off ASAP. Once again, I don't know that many psychopaths, if any, now....because I have no-contact with them. BTW, until I came across this talk, I've not heard so much talk about "locking them up". Psychopaths flow freely throughout life, they are doctors, lawyers, CEO's, seemingly average Joe's...I'd bet the percentage who are locked up is very low.
There is no completely sane person in the world and all of us could become better adjusted to our environment with some form of professional help. Hence keeping somebody in a psychiatric institution against his/her will is only justified when his/her inability to act reasonably is a clear danger for himself/herself or for other. This presentation does not make clear what is really the case now.
Thanks so much for this video. A very good teacher In prison showed it to us. I really dont think he was supposed to but he truly cared and tried to help us out. It has some very important information people need to be educated on this stuff.
Wow.. i've been ruminating on this topic for 18 months now, with a slightly different take: *Is psychology legit, or is it AKIN to Scientology??*
As someone who's been institutionalized, and in court-ordered therapy for 25 years, i've *NEVER had a therapist* , (in 30+ cities) NOT diagnose me. Or *make payment an option* .
When *i* feel well, my *diagnosis is changed* . i'm kicked down, made to "start all over", & *keep paying* . *Just LIKE the Scientology ladder* . After all, there's *no MONEY in mental fitness* , is there?
Alysia, ask yourself this: Can another human being, regardless of educational achievement or field of study, ever TRULY know the mind of another? NO!! You, dear, need to break out of this vicious cycle and find your life. You deserve that much at least.
All right, going down the checklist, you aren't going to find anyone who has All of them. That's not how diagnostic criteria work, so you can't say "I don't have a grandiose sense of self, therefore I am not a Psychopath."
Wait.. how do they get in trouble so much as kids if they are charming, manipulative, and cautious, and can change their personality as needed?
I'm totally a psychopath and never got in trouble at school.
Why would I do anything to out myself? (other than here where it really doesn't matter)
I don't believe this story. I work in mental health. There is no way a guy stays in a forensic ward for 12 years if hes not a risk in the community. Hes clearly picking and choosing what he is keeping in the story to back up his own agenda.
Was that crazy guy getting more violent or psychopathic while institutionalized? If not, why was he locked up so long? He could've be an excellent CEO since he was 'grey area' psychopathic inclined. He probably shouldn't drink or go to bars though.
I hope is OK now. Is he getting counseling or medication?
You wanna see what crazy looks like? Train me to do your job and switch my lives for one year. I don't even give someone six months. Before, they come back crying and begging on their knees for their old life back. Unless, they agree with everything she says. Remember, you are not allowed to leave the house. Unless, it's to run errands for her, you have a doctor's appointment, or something like that. Your friends will have to come see you. If she doesn't like them. Then be prepared to lose a friend. If you want any peace. Cause, she is going to nag you about them the entire time. If you don't do what she says. She will find away to make you look insane and guilty to those who don't know you personally. If she knows something about your past. That was a bad or a mistake. She will use it to try and make you feel hurt, sad, or unworthy. So, when it comes to crazy. Trust me. I know crazy in spades.
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